HGR Exclusive! w/ Mozzy

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Greetings and salutations. My name is DJ Head, here to talk to my brother real quick. Should be a very honest conversation. My brother. Mazzy fresh home. [00:00:11] Speaker B: Come on. [00:00:11] Speaker A: Welcome home. [00:00:12] Speaker B: Yes, sir. [00:00:13] Speaker A: Let me go ahead and. You know what I'm saying? I see you. When I first seen you walk in, you had this glow about you. [00:00:21] Speaker B: Okay, right? [00:00:22] Speaker A: And it wasn't the lotion. It was like spirit. You know what I'm saying? So before we get into all of the motions and everything, how do you feel? [00:00:33] Speaker B: I'm lit, man. Life platinum. Due to my current circumstances, I ain't able to wiggle like I want to and everything being on a paperwork. But I can't complain under these restraints, man. You know what I'm saying? Me, I'm here present. You feel me? I ain't got no financial discrepancies or nothing like that, man. Life lit, man. I'm enjoying myself. I'm at peace. I'm whole. I'm fulfilled. [00:01:06] Speaker A: I love that. Obviously, we here because you went and knocked out an album. I mean, I know you had been working on it before everything had went down, but I think it's important that the people hear from you. You know what I'm saying? We've been waiting to hear from you as fans and as homies. And I know you anxious to get your voice and your messaging out there, for sure. And also, you know me throughout this conversation. You know, I'm a hold no punches. [00:01:33] Speaker B: Come on. [00:01:33] Speaker A: So that's what we here to do. We here to have an honest conversation. But first and foremost, welcome. And then secondly, when it comes to, I guess, your home life, right? You went through a lot of stuff, like, in the last two years, three years. I mean, it's been a lifetime for you. But in the last two, three years, specifically, home life, though, for mazzy, what does that look like when you come home? Because I know you got the little ones, and it's just like, that's a complicated situation. So I know you said life is platinum, you feel great. But how do you feel when you go home? Because once the lights go off, the microphones come off. You go home. And I know you active, pops. What is that like for you now? Do you look at it different? [00:02:21] Speaker B: Nah. You know, one thing. First and foremost, triple salute to my significant other. She hold it down just like you feel me. Well rounded. And she keep anything grounded. Growing up. Growing up with my granny, stability. Stability was like, the biggest thing for her, was just being stable. That's why she participated in the real estate type of time, because she wanted to own her own property. She wanted to just have stability for her children. She didn't want nobody, no landlord telling her she got a wiggle or et cetera. So stability for me is big, and I got that in my household. I got stability. My kids is well taken care of. I spend about six to 8 hours out the day doing my thing as far as studio wise or running my errands. But I make sure I make it home 10:00 max. The kids, they doing good in school. They lit. So like I was saying, I can't complain. The home life is. That's your peace and serenity. That's where you be able to just kind of like, you feel me? [00:03:45] Speaker A: Is it more of a decompression? Like, is it more like, okay, I don't have the pressure of the world on me? Or is it more pressure because those are the little ones that you downloading lessons and life into, which one is. [00:03:56] Speaker B: No, I think it's kind of like both. It's kind of like both because like you said, you know, it's when I come in there, I get to relax. But at the same time, it's the pressure of making sure everything is straight, making sure everything is legitimate, making sure that I'm doing this on behalf of them, for the benefit of them. And so I'm kind of like trying to set it up to where even if I'm not here, they legitimate. You know what I'm saying? So if it just happened to get ugly out of nowhere, man, and lightning strikes, and it's spicy on my end, I still want to make sure they future is legitimate. I still want to make sure they live a prosperous lifestyle. And so that's the pressure of it. But as far as coming home, yeah, that's the weight of my world. When I walk in that door, the weight of the world is off my shoulders, man. That's the girly faces. They embrace me. That's unconditional love. If you was to ask me, where do unconditional love exist in this world? For me, it's that household. [00:05:13] Speaker A: That household for sure. The little ones. [00:05:15] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:05:16] Speaker A: I want to get into. You brought up granny, and I know that's like a tough subject, you know what I'm saying? Because you lost granny. But I think that it's important for people that's looking at you as somebody to look up to. Like, how does mazzy deal with these things? [00:05:30] Speaker B: Stuff like that. [00:05:31] Speaker A: And so I see you always. So I'm going to just tell you, I look at Nipsey's relationship with his grandma. Right. And then I look at your relationship with your granny, and I look at my relationship with my grandma. My grandma passed two years ago, too, so I get it. Going to granny House and whatever. But your relationship was a little different. And I noticed in the song, you was like the same sofa that granny. [00:06:03] Speaker B: Granny died on, the same couch I used to sleep on. [00:06:06] Speaker A: So I guess from a perspective, from life, put the music aside, rapping aside, as a man, does that mess with your mind when you look at it from a psychological standpoint? Because I feel like we deal with our traumas different. Some people go to the substances, some people go to the streets. Some people go to anger. How do you deal with something like that? [00:06:30] Speaker B: Initially, in the beginning, I dove in that Styrofoam cup. I dove in it head first. [00:06:38] Speaker A: And that was because of the loss of granny? [00:06:41] Speaker B: No, I was already tampering with it, but the loss of granny just intensified it. Instead of pouring a foe, we're going to pour eight. You know what I'm saying? Got you. And so that's how I was dealing with it. I was sedating myself. I was sleepwalking. And I think it helped. It helped a lot. But these songs that you hear, that's really my therapeutic session, because it gives me a chance to let it out. You understand me? And then, not only that, I write it, recite it, and then I get to tweak on it. So when I'm on a freeway by myself, man, and the song, come on. I could shed tears. This is like my safe haven. And that load when I'm to the necklace. So I'm able to shed tears, man, and not looking for sympathy or nothing. This I'm dealing with my pain. This I'm coping with my loss. So I think that's where most of my therapy come. That's where I was able to get over that hump, man. This music is like having a conversation with oneself. You feel me? That really helped me a lot. Just celebrating her life. Celebrating her life. Whether it's her birthday and we throw a gangster party or I'd be tweaking in my journal. [00:08:07] Speaker A: You have a journal? [00:08:08] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, it's really a rap book. But I do more than just rapping in there. My to do list, my goals, how I'm feeling today, what irritated my soul, et cetera, et cetera. And then the other day, I was caught up in my feelings. And I said, let me call granny. I'm going to just call her. I called her. I was expecting to get this number has been disconnected and no longer in service. But that wasn't the case. She was on the answer machine. And my auntie, that's her mom. And so my auntie, she'd been paying the bill, like, regularly. She's still here. And so I left a message. How are you doing, moms? I'm just breathing on you, let you dearly. And I went on whatever I was holling at her about. But all these is a form of therapy for me. Everything that I do in the name of her is a form of therapy to me. This necklace, when I'm seeing me, I wake up in the morning and I put that toothpaste on it, man, and get the scrubbing down. And I'm saying I get to look at her. It's a glance. When I walk in my house, the little photographs and the pains I got of her. All this is a therapeutic session, man. And I'm still not over that loss. But I got over that hill. I got over that. [00:09:31] Speaker A: That's good that you brought that. And also, I don't want to skip over, like a loss is a loss, right? Because David was showing me the album cover, right? And it's like you lost these homies to the streets or to prison or incarcerated, whatever the case may be, right? Is the loss of a loved one just the loss of a loved one? Or is it different when it's somebody in your household, man? [00:09:53] Speaker B: It's somebody who raised me. This is day one. This different. This granny, this show heart and soul. This the one. This your number one fan? This the one who instilled all the principles. You understand me? This is the one who taught you about morals and principles. Respect. It's the one I respect. When we was kids, I wouldn't walk in her house without pulling up my pants first. [00:10:21] Speaker A: Really? [00:10:21] Speaker B: It's the one who wake you up 05:00 in the morning when it's still dark out, man, and make you mow the lawn. You know what I'm saying? This is the one coming to your high school and slapped the shit out of you for being. For missing class. This is the one who whooped you in the bathroom in preschool. This is the one pinch you in church. Yeah. This pinch you in church. This is the one who bail you out, cuss you out, and then take you to a restaurant. You feel me? All in the same, in that order. So now this is my dog for real. This is the only person on earth that I feel I could be vulnerable towards. I'm saying, where I could really tell her my truth. Everybody else, I got to mask my masculinity, man. I can't be Timothy Patterson with everybody else but Granny. This who I'm. Send me. [00:11:11] Speaker A: What did Granny call you? [00:11:12] Speaker B: She called me Tim. [00:11:18] Speaker A: Okay, so I also wanted to talk about more home stuff, too. Because you talk about in the raps. You talk about it to me in interviews, whatever. We all know Granny. Because you was raised by granny, right? Primarily. What about moms? Pops? I never asked you about that before. And I can't believe when I was going back through our conversations. I've never asked you about that before. [00:11:44] Speaker B: No, that's my squad. That's my squad. To this day, that's my squad. Mom, she called me, text me every day. Sweetest person in the world. Never whipped me. Just sweet. Sweet, like just caring, giving. A gangster, though. But you feel me. So, you know, anything I can do for her, I do for her. Anything she can do for me. She's an individual that I can always call upon. And she there present. And so she had her beautiful struggles, but she overcame her beautiful struggles. So I most definitely applied that. Same with Pops. He was in and out of penitentiary. He finally got it right and he vowed to never go back. And the path that he maneuvering on right now, it looked like McMah. He kind of, like, honored what he said he going to do. And so he just pulled down. They visit me. I can almost say frequently in between. Frequently and occasionally, but they blow down on me. So mom, she come pull up, clean the mansion up, start cleaning the man, I'm telling. When I say clean the deep clean man's wind. I feel obligated to give her a couple bands on behalf of that. You hear me? And then pops, he just blew down on me and got acquainted with his grandchildren. I got the girly face gang, so he came to function with them. We pulled up to Joey, sat down. I'm saying we ordered a couple passion, passion fruit margaritas or something like that. And we kind of had a little semi gangster party. And he doing this thing, working, staying out the way you feel me. Just living life, enjoying life. [00:13:38] Speaker A: How do they feel about Mozzie, the artist? [00:13:41] Speaker B: They love it. They love me. They love it. I'll be having to tell moms, like, time down. You feel me? Everybody in that jurisdiction don't function with me. So while you heavy promoting that, that's my son. She didn't bumped into a couple of altercations where it was fake way spicy. So she get it now. [00:14:02] Speaker A: Got you. [00:14:02] Speaker B: She get it now, pops, he can't deny it. He looked at almost my identical twin. You know what I'm saying? We saying, I think I'm taller than him. Lord knows I'm only five foot suffer. But he can't deny it if he wants to. Everybody in the hood love him. They'd be calling me. I just seen Pops, man. He didn't pull up to the big park, man. They just like you. But now that's my dog. So he juiced. He was also in a. He tampered with the music. R and B singer. The dream that I'm living was. That's kind of like his dream, too. So to see me actually seeing me progress in this field, he loved me for it. [00:14:54] Speaker A: I want to go back, because you talked about how you dealt with the loss of granny. You say you dove into the double cup. Now, I remember you did kick the cup challenge years ago, and we had you up talking about. We was doing. Going crazy on the radio with that and everything. But then I seen. And I watched the count time video, which you just dropped, and the cup is back. So is that back? Or is like, what is that? [00:15:18] Speaker B: I mean, you got to understand, addiction is real. Addiction is addiction. So somebody could stop smoking weed temporarily, and we applaud them, and, you feel me, we congratulate them, and then they double back on it. And like I said, it's just a form of therapy. The cup is a form of therapy to me. But I think in that particular video, I was on alcohol. I've been messing with that Donovan Julio. But I'm just saying, though, addiction is real, and I didn't have my struggles with it where I put it down. Picked it up, put it down, picked it up, put it down, picked it up. And anybody who's had an addiction to something of that magnitude completely understand, but I don't promote it in my song. What do you say? At least I don't promote it on my gram. At least I don't promote it on the gram. It's my addiction, though. [00:16:14] Speaker A: That's what he does say. Because I remember we was having. I don't remember the number you said you had spent in one year, but it was like a quarter of a million dollars or something like that. You said you spent on the addiction, right. But then nobody ever talks about what you go through emotionally when you fight in the demons and stuff like that. And I think DMX was one of them artists who did a great job at illustrating what that looks like to fight a demon like addiction. Right. He would always talk about if I'm keeping it real. I never knew I was so young. I didn't know what he was talking about. I just knew he was fighting something, and he would be praying and all that kind of stuff. And then later on, we all kind of found out, okay, this is what's going on and stuff like that, but we never understand what the person is going through, right? So can you speak to some of that? Because it might be somebody else going through the same thing as far as how to deal with that psychologically, mentally, emotionally. [00:17:13] Speaker B: For me personally, it's my children. Just looking at my children and be like, I got to be here. I got to be here for the long haul. Longevity, man. I got to be here. And so that's where I kind of want, like, that was the inspiration for me to put it down. But like I said, addiction is real. When death, I probably lose one of my partners, and you know what I'm saying? Like I said, I can't be vulnerable with everybody granny gone, so I get vulnerable with that cup, man. It's like, you have a real relationship with whatever drug that you fighting. We just going to call them your demons. Whatever demon you fighting. Some people just look at it like it's a drug or whatever it is, but the person who's dealing with that got a relationship with that. It's a real relationship. You feel me? And so I just feel like you got to want it for self. You got to want change. I was driving on the freeway, I was going to go handle one of my court cases. What was that? Vegas. And I was driving, and I'm on my way, right? And so I'm coming from LA, driving to Vegas, and I'm sipping, I'm sipping, I'm smoking, right? My heart hurting, and I'm like, damn, this killing me. You feel me? And so I kind of like, like I told you, I had my conversations with Granny. Whenever I'm in that vehicle to the necklace, driving along a long period of time, you feel me? So I started having a conversation with Granny, and I was like, I need help, I need help, I need help, I want help. But it's like I'm not finna enroll myself into no. What are they? [00:19:09] Speaker A: Facility. [00:19:09] Speaker B: Nah, I ain't going to no facility. You're not finna see on Instagram or publicly that mazzy is in some type of facility due to. Nah, we ain't doing that. Right. I just feel like I'm strong enough to beat it without a facility. So I'm asking Granny for help. Now, when I get to Vegas to know I think it's a firearm case, my lawyer come and tell me good news, time served on that. Me, they're going to give you a little probation or whatever, but bad news, the US marshals is here. Us marshals here. They picked up the case in LA and they finna haul you off. And I'm like, what? Anyways, they hauled me off, do they, Dougie? I end up in somebody's facility, I think in perrumpt or something. And eventually they gave me bail after three, four days. And when I get out on bail now, they piss tested me. So I'm saying all that to say on my way to handle my business, I asked Granny for help. The US marshals was my help. If I would have had a regular state case, I would have bailed out on that state case. And they don't piss test you, you feel me? The state just. They waiting for you to get mean. They wait until they give you whatever time you're going to do and then they send you to prison. But the feds, they, like, hold on while you out on trial. I think it's called. I forget what it's called. Pretrial. Why are you out on pretrial? You're going to piss test, you're going to do this, you're going to do that. So then it became for me, like, I'm out on pretrial. I'm not trying to go in earlier than expected. I got responsibilities. I got these children to take care of. So I'm a mind, I'm going to abide by their rules and regulations. So I kicked the cup, right? I kicked the cup again. That's on the back end before I kicked the cup. I mean, that's on the back end of me kicking the cup once before. But anyways, I'm saying all that to say, the US marshals, and they program and they stiff stipulations, the feds, they kind of made. They forced me to kick the cup. Now, how I looked at it is granny answering my prayers. You feel me? That's exactly what that was. I was granted what I asked for. And so instead of looking at it in a way where it'd be like, damn, they got me doing all this. It's like, notice what you asked for? You know what I'm saying? So this is what you got, and I appreciate it. [00:21:44] Speaker A: That's fire. I think if people miss those things, my spiritual advisor been teaching me to listen to the signs and pay attention to what's going on because if you ask for something, you're going to get it for sure. [00:21:55] Speaker B: You look for something, you're going to find it. Facts. Most definitely facts. [00:22:03] Speaker A: When you dropped survivor's guilt, I think you went to jail a week after that. It was a little bit after or no. [00:22:12] Speaker B: Survivor's guilt. Yeah, now you're right. It was a week after. [00:22:16] Speaker A: It was the week after. [00:22:17] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:22:17] Speaker A: Okay, so before you had went to turn yourself in, did you already know, like, okay, I'm going to do this and I'm going to drop the project so that way I could serve them. I give them what they need and then I'm going to go sit down? Or did it just happen to work out that way? [00:22:33] Speaker B: No, they wanted to drop the project. The label didn't know I was going to sit down. [00:22:41] Speaker A: Got you. [00:22:42] Speaker B: I was trying to keep that on the under. [00:22:43] Speaker A: You knew? [00:22:44] Speaker B: I knew I was going to sit down. [00:22:46] Speaker A: Okay. [00:22:50] Speaker B: Me working with my squad, me and my squad, we came to the conclusion that we need to drop it. It's more beneficial if he drop it while I'm here to promote it. And I wanted to see the reaction. I'm not going to be able to see the reaction and how it's taken off or, this is my baby. I cultivated this and so I wanted to make it the graduation date. You feel me? And so we all agreed that we should drop it before I turned myself in. And that's what we did. And then we kind of had like a rollout while I was in there, how we was going map it out and press play on certain things. Yeah, that was me and my team. We came up with the idea of dropping it before I went in there, just so I could see the reaction and be able to actually tweak on it and listen to it and enjoy it with the people. [00:23:49] Speaker A: What's interesting is I remember when it all was going down because I don't remember if you came. I don't know if we talked right before that or we talked a little bit before that, but I remember when the album dropped and nobody knew. Like you said, you kept it intentionally. You kept it low, like, okay, I know this is happening, but I just want it. Was that because you don't want people talking? You was already prepping yourself. You didn't want people asking you about it in the interview or wherever you're going as part of the promotion for the album? Or is it just because you didn't look at it like a big deal? [00:24:23] Speaker B: No, I've been in and out of jail for a lifetime. So I don't parade that. I don't parade that. I felt like that was a failure. You understand me? And I felt like that was a setback. And I just didn't want to promote. I didn't want to promote my ills. I didn't want to promote my setbacks. You feel me? I didn't want people to know that during this process, I was at my weakest hours. I was in my weakest hours. Like, I was actually going through something, man, and I was just trying to suppress it. I got kids. I got kids. I got a custody, full custody of one of my children, and they depend on me. I got a squad that depend on me. Not only my household, I got family, relatives that depend on me. I got relatives that look up to me, and I got people in the trenches that look up to me. And I just didn't want to promote negativity. I'm not really one that my music, I'm just telling you my lifestyle, et cetera, et cetera. But as far as my personal things that I'm going through right now, if it has a negative effect, I don't want to promote that. I run from it. So that's what I was doing. I was running from telling the people that I got to turn myself in. I wasn't looking for no type of sympathy that I have to turn myself in. And I wasn't trying to capitalize off of turning myself in. So, yeah, it was a mixture of. [00:26:00] Speaker A: All that, man, I'm glad you said that, because that was the perception, I believe, from a lot of people. It was like, oh, he put the album out because he's going to go sit down. Once we knew, once you turned yourself in, it was like, oh, that's why he put the album out where it's actually not the case. It's more just like, this was coming. [00:26:16] Speaker B: This was coming. This was on the way, you know what to go. You know, I had to go follow through with my. Mean, I knocked it out, but, like, the dude on Black Panther, he passed away without telling us he had cancer. [00:26:29] Speaker A: That's true. Chadwick Bowman, triple salute him. [00:26:32] Speaker B: I love him for that. My grandmother, she passed away. She didn't tell nobody except her immediate what type of internal affairs she was dealing with. And then after that, she didn't have a funeral. And I asked her why she don't want to have a funeral, and she said, because I don't want the people to see you at your weakest hours. And that touched me. I just love her for that. You know what I'm saying? That's kind of how I live my life. If I'm going through something, you ain't going to see me get on Instagram, man, and complain. I'm with compliments over complaints. And so anytime I'm going through something, I'm not into complaining. And you never see me cussing out a label or interrupted by anything a label has done or what they're not doing. It's accountability. I feel like if something's going wrong, it's me. I don't care. Highest painted. What happened? If I get robbed, that was me. I shouldn't have been there. I should have been on point. If my label is me draining me out, that's me. I should have been able to orchestrate my. So I learned from my mistakes. So everything is accountability with me. I love that, bro. [00:27:51] Speaker A: A lot of people avoid personal accountability. [00:27:53] Speaker B: For sure. [00:27:54] Speaker A: Accountability is like the word for me. [00:27:56] Speaker B: Come on. [00:27:57] Speaker A: I'm going to read you something, and I just want you to tell me how you feel after I read it. Okay? Mozzie turned himself in on Thursday, July 20, eigth, right. It stems from a traffic stop that went down in Culver City, California. When he was pulled over for traffic violation, authorities smelled marijuana and searched the vehicle. Upon conducting the search, they discovered a gun and rounds and ammunition and a small amount of marijuana. He was then arrested later. He was then released later on bail. Mazzy said, life comes at you fast. Sometimes shit gets real, and you got to take that deal. [00:28:36] Speaker B: Sometimes you can't bargain. You got to take that deal. [00:28:40] Speaker A: Now, I remember I was talking to David about that, and he was saying that y'all had talked about that specific line, right? And I think that people to. What you just said about taking ails, the accountability thing, people don't take that, right? [00:28:56] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:28:56] Speaker A: So I want your thoughts on. Well, first of all, when you said that, what was going through your mind, was it the accountability thing or was it more or less. Let me just knock this out. [00:29:09] Speaker B: Both taking accountability. Let me go walk this time down. I probably needed this. I look at the benefits of the situation. I ain't really focused on the l. You know what I'm saying? I'm losing countless amount of money. I'm losing time with my children. I'm not there. I'm not present. I feel like a failure in that aspect. I can carry on. You feel me with the ails that I felt like I was taking from that. But let's highlight the benefits. I'm saying I'm drug free. I'm able to get clarity, get my mind right. I'm able to tweak on these books, man, and what I want to transition into. You feel me? So I want to tweak. It's another aspect of my life that I'm ready to transition into outside of music. And so I'm able to apply a lot of sweat equity in that field. You feel me? And so I'm looking at the benefits. But going back to that statement, shout out, messi Marv, free, messy Marv, one of my favorite rappers growing up, and he said that, he says, you know, sometimes they get that real, sometimes you can't bargain. You got to take that deal. And that's a quote that I've been living with my whole life. Anytime it gets spicy, anytime it gets spunky, I think every time I went to jail, I done recited that quote. That's what type of time I was on, man, let's eat the ill. You feel me? However I follow through with my commitments, I don't run from them. If I'm committed to do this, let's knock it out, whatever it is. [00:30:47] Speaker A: Shout out to mess. Mazzy also said, chin up, chest out. Love you. Right? [00:30:53] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:30:54] Speaker A: This case made me realize that everything I have accomplished and built can be taken away because of a single mistake or laughs in judgment. I feel like those are the things people don't talk about. I didn't see nobody talking about what you said right there. Right. Because it could be that fast. [00:31:11] Speaker B: That fast. [00:31:11] Speaker A: You could be coming out of a club, or you could be at a light, or we see it over and over again. But then you also spoke to, like, you take accountability for your actions. You also hold your l. You don't promote the L, nor do you celebrate it. You own it. But then you also are unapologetic at how you have to move most of that because it's like, I got to go home. And I remember you talking about being a rapper is extremely dangerous, and nobody talks about that. You want to speak on that? [00:31:46] Speaker B: It is dangerous. I think being anything, I think just living life as an african American is dangerous. Right? But you put the emphasis on it when you young, rich, black, it's like it's emphasis. You feel me? And not only that, majority of the rappers, we coming out the treasures. So we got a treacherous mentality. It's something that still lingers within us. You feel me? And keep one up top. Stay treacherous, stay dangerous. We live by that osalama first. So it's kind of like what they call that. What's that book? It's a book called. [00:32:35] Speaker A: What's it about? [00:32:37] Speaker B: It's about whatever energy you put out. Whatever energy you put out, it brings back. Law of attraction. [00:32:44] Speaker A: Law of attraction? [00:32:45] Speaker B: Yes, law of attraction, man. And we talk about participating in thug life activities in our music. And so we naturally attract it. The way we operate. We naturally attract it. You feel me? So I think that alone is dangerous in a sense. You feel me? Just the way we operate. We operate in a dangerous manner. And we know we kind of like, I mean, we got all these securities. You got gang members with you. They know that usalama, first rapture, secondary. So they strap. They own that type of time. They own demonic time. We bulletproofing the cars because we know what come with this. And so we don't watch countless entertainers. Rappers check out on us early just for being a public figure. You feel me? And it's us. Sometimes we don't understand how big we is because it's us. We live in this body. [00:33:50] Speaker A: That's true. [00:33:50] Speaker B: So we navigating like we just regular human beings. But that ain't the case, man. Somebody, you're going to get brownie points for knocking somebody down. As a public figure, your name, you damn near become a public figure for knocking something down. You feel me? Most definitely. It's a treacherous occupation. But the benefits, man, the benefits is we was living like that in the hood. We was already, I'm saying, when we was broke, it was already spicy. Fools coming out the club or pulling over to this gas station. It's kind of like, in a sense, the same thing, except now it's on a bigger scale because it'll get spicy for you in LA, it'll get spunky for you in Atlanta, it'll get treacherous for you in New York because you're a public figure. So, you know, and they expect you to stand on what you rap about, too. [00:34:48] Speaker A: And they gonna try you for sure, the fella said. My lawyers also told me there's a recent study that proves the number one cause of death among black rappers is murder, specifically by gunfire. And then you said that you afraid that your kids will end up fatherless and that's your primary reason for carrying a gun without a permit. It's a fear that all black rappers carry with them all the time. I know that does not legally justify my actions, but I took some comfort in the fact that I knew with certainty that I was not possessing a gun for illegal purposes. Right. It's a defense, most definitely. [00:35:25] Speaker B: I'm rich I ain't running around here looking for nobody with this firearm. I'm up. That's the last thing on my mind. But at the same time, one got to protect himself, you feel me? I got on. What's this? It's about an 80 ball. You know what I'm saying? To change something light on a Monday night, they over a dollar. I'm saying wrist wear going yay. And my name is self whole weight. So like we was just discussing, man, they going to expect me to stand on what I'm holling. And if you're not, if you ain't standing on what you Holland, then you are easy lick. You feel me? They're going to wipe you down. So I'm just one up top? One up top, man, I'm just trying to protect myself. I want to live. I want to live. I want to see what it looked like. I'm saying it jumping in fifty s and sixty s. I want to be able to experience what having grandchildren feel like. And I'm just trying to protect myself, man. [00:36:22] Speaker A: That's not a crazy request. [00:36:24] Speaker B: No, it ain't. Now, also understand that I'm a felon, so I can't possess firearms, but it's like risk reward ratio. Risky is I could lose my life if I ain't got it. You feel me? And the other risky is I can go to jail if I get caught with it. But the reward is I get to live. You feel me? So it's risk reward. [00:36:48] Speaker A: Do you think that the legal system is not empathetic to that? [00:36:53] Speaker B: I think it's not empathetic to that. I don't think they care. I mean, we African Americans off top, so I don't think they empathetic to us, period. But I understand. I understand how the game is played, and I know I was risking my freedom when I was wiggling around there with that year. So once more, accountability. I feel you feel me? So I ain't mad. [00:37:19] Speaker A: So you turn yourself in. How did you mentally prepare for that? And then also, what are things that you did to keep yourself sane? A lot of people lose their mind in there, bro. Like you said, you tapped into the. [00:37:30] Speaker B: Books how I mentally prepared. I just spent more time with my family, dove into my children. It kind of put everything on pause, you know, how we live in this life. You're running at 100. I'm talking about in all aspect, musically with the fam, just overlooking things. You forget about things, you kind of take everything for granted. And so I felt like I was taking the presence of my children for granted. And when I realized that I wasn't going to be able to hold them, hug them, prepare them for school, take them to school, pick them up from school, paint with them, it kind of took a toll on me momentarily. So I was just rocking with them. We beating up the restaurants, we beating up the malls. It was against the party with them. That's how I feel like I prepare and, of course, cooking up, just getting as much as music. I'm Sammy producing as much music as I could. Now, while I was in there, before. [00:38:41] Speaker A: We go to inside, what was the last 24 hours like? Last 24 hours leading up to that day, what was that 24 hours like for you? [00:38:50] Speaker B: I think I did a show. I think I did a show because I came in late and my girl was tweaking on me because I ain't get to sleep with her that night. So I did a show, came in late, and so I don't remember. The last 24 hours was a blur because I was drunk, I was thugging, I was living. It was just. I was just enjoying life. But the turn in date, it was bittersweet, man. It was like, I ain't even want to talk to the kids. I ain't even tell them where I was going. I just kept telling them that I'm going to be gone for a minute. Our whole ride there was silent. It was just silent. [00:39:39] Speaker A: No quiet. [00:39:41] Speaker B: Just quiet. She wasn't playing the music. I wasn't requesting no music. I'm just kind of, like, numb. Like, damn, I really got to go knock this out. They say it's only two days that matter when you go to jail. It's the day you go in and the day you get out. And I think the day just going in, man, I was really beat up. I was smoking. So I'm seeing me. I was just chiefing, we'll pull over. I jump out and chief, get back in the car. It was just pure silence. Even when we got to the gate, I hugged the kids. They act like I was just getting dropped off to the studio, you know what I'm saying? [00:40:22] Speaker A: They wasn't really aware. [00:40:23] Speaker B: I wasn't trying to put them in a manny emotional state, you know what I'm saying? I don't like doing my kids like that because they sensitive. They sensitive and they really function with me. So, yeah, that was it. It was dry. It was dry. It was silent. [00:40:43] Speaker A: Did you take anything with you as far as, like, maybe a picture of the kids, granny, anything? I don't know how it worked. I don't know if they allow you. [00:40:50] Speaker B: To do that, but, no, I kind of, like, stripped myself of everything. I had a bracelet on note. I had, like, a little bracelet that my daughter made me. And I try to sneak in with it, but they confiscated that, too. I wrote some numbers down. They let me write the numbers down. I didn't want them going through my phone. So I kept my phone in the car, wrote some numbers down, and they let me keep them numbers. So I was just writing my squad numbers. Everybody who I felt like I'm saying that was significant. Who was going to pick up that phone for me? And I'm Sammy. That was it. That was it. [00:41:28] Speaker A: I feel that now. When you get in there. I mean, obviously, that's not a new situation to you. So you know the program. You know how it works. So that's not even need to be talked about. But as far as what did Mozzie do to pass the time? Like, you end up staying? I think it was ten months, right? All in. But what did you do to pass the time? [00:41:51] Speaker B: The first 30 days, they had me in a shoe. So it was like 24 hours lockdown due to COVID. And then they were supposed to be in house, me. But I guess somebody had some altercations with me. Wherever I was going. They found out that I was getting housed there. So they told the police that, you know what I'm saying? They ain't want me on that yard with them. And the police kind of lightweight compromised with them. So they kept me in the shoe and they was going to transfer me somewhere else. And then I guess he got rolled up and they finally let me go. They finally let me program. So when I first get in there, it's a gangster party, nigga. We've been waiting for you, bro. We heard you was coming. Making my bed for me. Hold on. We got you. I told him I was starving. I was in a shoe. I lost probably, like, 2030 pounds. [00:42:52] Speaker A: For real? [00:42:53] Speaker B: Yeah, because I couldn't adjust today. Food. [00:42:57] Speaker A: What was they serving in there? [00:42:59] Speaker B: I ain't going to lie. It was decent. But, you know, you gotta understand, I'm at Morton's. Every mean. I'm at Fleming's. You know what, Joey's? It's a gangster party boiling. I had to adjust. But they had decent food. [00:43:19] Speaker A: Was it seasoned? [00:43:20] Speaker B: No, they were seasoned. They did. They, Dougie. But I just couldn't in the first two, three weeks, I think the first 20 days, I was off of oranges. Off of oranges. Anything else I could eat, like they might have something on a bowl. I mean on a dish that was legitimate. And I banged that out. But my celly was even telling me like, Brad, you got to eat. [00:43:45] Speaker A: Bret, you ain't here shriveling up. [00:43:46] Speaker B: Yeah, come on, get your life together. So I finally got it together, but when I got over there to where I was supposed to, where I belong, they filled me up. They told me, you just missed the store. We just had a store today, you missed it next week they skipping store. So you probably ain't going to be able to go to the stove for about 14 days from now. And so I'm like, man, I just need a couple of soups or something. They got me righteous, filled me up. Skittles, just little zoozoos and wham whams and me little boulevard packets and all. [00:44:23] Speaker A: Kind of like boiling crab, right? [00:44:28] Speaker B: We did what we did. So it was lit. But I was in that library. I was beating that library up initially. I probably spent my 1st 45 days in that library. [00:44:42] Speaker A: What was you picking up? [00:44:43] Speaker B: Of course I'm a self help book type of human being, man. Think the wealthiest man in Babylon already read, rich dad, poor dad. But I doubled back on that 48 laws of powers. It's almost like a Bible you could read, reread and reread. I was heavy on real estate. I was tweaking on anything that was real estate related. Sports magazines, Dupont magazines, double XL magazines. Then four agreements. [00:45:23] Speaker A: Four agreements. Yeah. Robert Green. [00:45:25] Speaker B: Yeah. Then who else? I had the one I was just talking about law of attraction. They had some other new laws of attraction in there. And then I had my pro black books too. So I can't think of their name, but like the Huey P. Newtons and Marcus Garvey and I was on that. [00:45:50] Speaker A: Type of that I like. So other than the library scribbling, writing. [00:45:57] Speaker B: Raps, writing raps, they let me get my Louis Vuitton little journal. So I'll be having. Yeah, they let me slither that in there. I don't want to put it on blast like that, right? But I was really living in that dream, man. So I ain't going to go there. I just understand that. I had on like Gucci flip flops in there. Me Cartier goggles. I was living like that. The goggles are there, man. Listen, I might have to send you. [00:46:26] Speaker A: Do you have prescription? You have prescriptions? [00:46:28] Speaker B: Look, you get prescriptions but I ain't have no prescription. But I'm Cartier frames in there. I'm living like that. [00:46:35] Speaker A: No lens. [00:46:36] Speaker B: No, I had the lens, but I'm telling them they prescriptions. These prescribed, baby, I can't see. Yeah, I can't see without them. I'm pulling up to the visit, man. Cartier prescriptions, trainers on. Life was lit, man. I ain't going to overdo it like that. But we eating in and out burgers and, man, life was lit in that. Tweaky, okay? [00:47:09] Speaker A: It was tweaky because I remember I hit Davo, like, halfway through the stint, and he was like, nah, he good. I'm like, are you sure? Send me his info so I could. [00:47:22] Speaker B: Write real one, man, like, you, man. [00:47:25] Speaker A: And bro, let me give me his info so I could write to him. Whatever. He was like, bro, he chilling, bro. Yeah, he's not even tripping. I'm like, really? Yeah, bro. It's all good. I'm like, okay, well, he's like, yeah, but look. Then he went like, but yeah, look, we got these records. I'm like, oh, so it's like, oh, yeah, so you're not tripping at all. I was like, okay, cool. [00:47:46] Speaker B: Most definitely. You notice once, I don't really, like. [00:47:51] Speaker A: We'Re not glorified, the truth. [00:47:53] Speaker B: But as far as anytime I've been in jail, man, this was the most peachiest state I have ever encountered. It was love. I can actually touch my children when they visit. They was kind of, like, tweaking about me holding them, but I could touch them. We sitting there, we part land, we draw, we coloring. It was lit, man. [00:48:16] Speaker A: When did the kids find out that you wasn't going to the studio? How did they. [00:48:20] Speaker B: So now they pulled up on me, and I told them I was at a camp. I'm like, this is a camp. And they just didn't get it. So I think the first month, they was really unbothered, I'm saying, because they kind of getting away with murder. Pops ain't here. We kind of. But after that, 30 days, because it was 30 days, I ain't get to see them. I was in a shoe then. 30 days visiting and kicking it with me. So about 60 days in is when it was really start affecting them. And, you know, the little one crying when it's time to leave told me up. Didn't make no sense. And then the older one, she just asked me. She was like, she was like, why you can't go with us? I'm like, I got to stay here. I got to follow through with my commitment, baby. She like, well, you too old to be doing that. She felt like I was too old to be sitting at camp and can't. [00:49:23] Speaker A: Because she's thinking camp. [00:49:24] Speaker B: It's a camp. So she's like, you too old, dad. And so it left a stain on me. Like, I am too old. Whether you understand what's really going on or not, I am too. [00:49:35] Speaker A: She understands that. [00:49:36] Speaker B: Yeah. You write about that. And so I kind of, like, carry that in my back pocket. Like, a lot of things that I find myself indulging in. If I feel like I'm too old, it's like I hear a little vocals in the background, like, you too old. [00:49:50] Speaker A: Your daughter going to keep it real with you, man. [00:49:52] Speaker B: You too old to be here. What are you doing? I love that. [00:49:55] Speaker A: That's fire, bro. I love that. Because it usually be those small little things that correct you. [00:50:02] Speaker B: Yeah. That put you in, get you. Hold on, get it together. And like you said, it'd be smart and it'd be things that she didn't know what she was saying when she said that. But me and my girl, we just chuckled because we like she, right. You know what I'm saying? I'm through with that, man. We shouldn't be encountering that no more. [00:50:25] Speaker A: That's what's up. I want to talk about some of this music, bro. Oh, I want to go back, too, on survivor's guilt. I think it was the song make the news. Gotti's on there. Black youngsters on there. [00:50:47] Speaker B: Shout out, Gotti. Shout out, youngster. [00:50:49] Speaker A: And that song was done before the CMG deal, right? [00:50:54] Speaker B: No, I think we did that after. [00:50:56] Speaker A: That was after the CMG deal. [00:50:57] Speaker B: Yeah, I think we did that after. But I had a relationship with Gotti before the CMG. [00:51:01] Speaker A: That's why I wanted to get into it. [00:51:02] Speaker B: And a relationship with Youngster. Before I thought about being a CMG member, we already was locked in. [00:51:10] Speaker A: So it's organic because you've been indie and you've been doing your thing. I mean, you had previous situations, but it's pretty much been you and the team, most definitely. And now going into a system, quote unquote the machine and stuff like that, I think everybody was caught by surprise because it's like, wait, mazzy is doing this thing. He's doing a deal and whatnot. And then I look at people like Russ, I look at La Russell, and they're raving the independent flag or whatever. You being rich independently. [00:51:43] Speaker B: Let's pop our shit, baby. [00:51:45] Speaker A: That's what this part is. So, like, you being rich independently. [00:51:51] Speaker B: I. [00:51:51] Speaker A: Like to pay attention to the fanfare, right? If a press release go out and says, mozzie does exclusive deal with so and so. So and so. I'm like, oh, that's interesting. That's a pivot. Because I know that it's been incubated for so long. It's just been a small circle of team. Right? But then you talked about doing that record that was done after the deal, but you said you had a relationship already, so I want to know. I guess the question is, what made you decide to go ahead and change the situation and not take it all to the face? [00:52:23] Speaker B: No, I just wanted to, first and foremost, shout out, Gotti. [00:52:26] Speaker A: Shout out to your Gotti. [00:52:28] Speaker B: Yeah. I love the way he operate. I love his movement, everything he got going on. And I wanted to just electrify what I had going on. I wanted to just electrify it, man. I felt like I'm Sammy. I understand the business. I understand it independently. You got about five to 20 people on your team, but with that machine that jumped from 20 to 100 people working for you. And so I understand that. And I feel like we've been doing exceptionally well with this five to 20 people entourage. And so I just wanted to see if I could capitalize on that honey piece, man, on that honey unit, man, on that manpower. That label offers that machine. I wanted to say, put me in rotation with that machine. Let's see what we get going. But I most definitely want to highlight that I love the independent run. I love the independent run just because it's more intimate. Everything about it is intimate. You feel me? But I understand business. I respect business. And it's like, come on, let's turn it up a notch, man. You know what I'm saying? [00:53:47] Speaker A: I get you now, also, something that's very interesting is I went back and looked because we've been rocking for a minute. You dropped every year since 2010. Did you know that? [00:53:59] Speaker B: Man, I for sure know that. I wish I could drop five projects a year. If I could drop you damn near one year. [00:54:06] Speaker A: You dropped, like, four, I think, in one year. [00:54:08] Speaker B: Yeah, I think early on. Early on. And once more, like, you haven't missed. [00:54:14] Speaker A: One year in 13 years. [00:54:16] Speaker B: Come on. [00:54:17] Speaker A: That's crazy. [00:54:18] Speaker B: Bite down. Bite down. This will feed my squadron when I wake up in the morning and I jump in that automobile menace. It's foreign. You know what I'm saying? Sitting on a pair of Pirelli's and Fort Giados and some mo of it, right? I'm pulling up into this driveway, man, and parking it in a garage where the square footage is crazy. I'm saying it's something like two point high, two point supper. I'm talking about. And you notice me, I'm paying mortgage on this. This car mines. I'm saying, man, I'm draped in the latest fashion. I got relationships with the jeweler. I could tell him to see anything I want. My kids is going to a prestigious. I'm saying, me, school and life is lit. But that came from this drop. That came from this. That ain't come from selling bowls. It ain't come from pimping holes. It came from this. And so I really respect the game. And this is what I've been dreaming of since yay high. So the fact that I'm actually here, I'm in love with it. When people interrupt my dinners, I'm saying me by wanting a picture or photograph or they want to facetime their mom because they mom in love with my music. I give them that time of day. No matter if I'm with my family, I give them that time of day. Because this is what I've been dreaming of. I sat on that bunk and I pray for this life. You feel me? I'm here now. This is crazy. I wake up Ed daily astonished. So I can't complain. So most definitely, man. Let's get that work in songs. [00:56:01] Speaker A: I know you're still tweaking the album. You're a perfectionist. But that more to you. That's my favorite song. [00:56:11] Speaker B: Okay, I thought that I'm in more to you. Yeah, I suited up and went to war for you. [00:56:16] Speaker A: That one right there. [00:56:17] Speaker B: I ain't there. Lee. You stranded her. Oh, my God. [00:56:20] Speaker A: Yeah, that one right there. [00:56:21] Speaker B: I'm in love with that one. Pop your shit. [00:56:23] Speaker A: But I want to get to some of these because I know we got to go, but on righteous man. [00:56:30] Speaker B: Okay. I think you was going to fill the. Righteous man. Talk to me. [00:56:35] Speaker A: I'm talking to you, righteous man. Post a pull up to the shows if you really want me. Yeah, pay your man's to get it done. [00:56:42] Speaker B: If niggas really owe me. [00:56:44] Speaker A: Okay, let's hold that thought. But then we go to act a fool. My location on the flyer, niggas pussy. Dang gun. Right? But then I look at the other song, which you should put the video out. If I die right now, I feel like it's a lot of forecasting of death. [00:57:07] Speaker B: Yeah, okay. No, go ahead. Do your shit first. [00:57:13] Speaker A: And so the way I'm looking at when I'm listening to the project, I'm like, oh, this is a lot of dark shadowing. But then I look at the COVID and everything, it makes sense to me, right? And so I'm like, okay, I get the direction of where you're going, but do you feel like that? Do you feel like there's that energy around you? [00:57:33] Speaker B: I feel like I got to maneuver around it every day of my life. I got to maneuver around it. I'm always conscientious about how I'm moving, what I'm doing. I know it exists. You feel me? I lose somebody three full times a year. And when I say somebody, I'm talking about close ones, loved ones. And so just me understanding that, like I said, I celebrate every time I wake up, I'm here. I'm here in the present form. And so my whole thing is just kind of like me. It's kind of like me trying to shake off that feeling. So I most definitely get them feelings, but it's like me shaking it off, you know what I'm saying? My last case, it was for me finding ways to protect myself. And so I don't feel like I'm a check out early, earlier than expected, but I understand that that's what lurking the shadows, you know what I'm saying? And I can't help but put it in my music, because sometimes it bothering me, and anything that bothers me, it just naturally oozes out. But, nah, man, I'm full of life. I'm living life. I'm enjoying life, man. I feel like I got plenty more life to go. But I can't shake my thought process. I can't shake. I'm seeing me. What's real? What's real, man? And that's one of my biggest fears, is just checking out before my time, man, and leaving that girly face Gang stranded or not fulfilling my obligations. So I'm vulnerable in my music. So I give you my true feelings. I give you my true fears. [00:59:29] Speaker A: I'm with that. I think that it's important just to note that because we need you. You know what I'm saying? [00:59:36] Speaker B: I mean, look, like you said, you've seen the album cover. So you look on the album cover. Anybody I put on that album cover, bro. I'm not just grabbing faces from the archives to put on the album cover. These my real loved ones, these people. I didn't grew up with day one, not a day ago, and I made it. You know, the album initially was going to be called Genocide. We didn't switch the title, but I didn't put Granny face on there because she didn't pass away due to genocide. You feel me? Now, anybody that's on that album cover is a participant or a casualty of genocide. And so just from that alone, you see all the death that we deal with. I didn't pay for over ten funeral services. You understand me? I didn't build hundreds of people out of jail like in real life. No exaggeration. And so if you're dealing with all this death around you, you can't help but think like, damn, you know what I'm saying? Me, it's real, bro. And they ain't die. They dying due to genocide. Black on black activity, black on black crime. And so I understand it. It's like people ask me how old when they talk about age. It's like I'm running to get to my 50s. Most people want to be young forever. I'm running to get to my fifty s. I want to get to a point where I don't care what enemy I encounter with, they don't want to kill me because we too old to be doing this. I feel that, you hear me? I want to be at a place where I'm just really at peace. Because I know it's not a soul on this earth that won't be dead. You feel me? And so we're not there yet. So that's why you hear that in the music, man. [01:01:25] Speaker A: I appreciate you, brother. [01:01:27] Speaker B: My vice versa, my dog. [01:01:28] Speaker A: You know what I'm saying? You always keep it real with me. I always keep it as honey with you. [01:01:32] Speaker B: For sure. [01:01:33] Speaker A: I'm glad you here. You look good. [01:01:34] Speaker B: Your skin is vice versa, man. I just told you, you get younger and younger, my boy. Go on and give me the recipe, man. What's the ingredients? [01:01:42] Speaker A: Sea moss, CMOs. [01:01:44] Speaker B: I've been on sea moss. [01:01:45] Speaker A: I've been on CMOs activated, bro. Sea moss and bitters, bro. I put you on. [01:01:49] Speaker B: Yeah, we gonna holler. [01:01:51] Speaker A: Yeah, no, I appreciate you, bro. Congratulations on everything. Get home to that girly gang. Stay free. [01:01:58] Speaker B: Yes, sir. Appreciate it, big dog. Love.